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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:07 am

omw so much to catch up on.

Brandon - Agreed so much. I don't know if I even have an opinion of him as a person but I definitely hate his impact on what would have otherwise been one of the best seasons ever.

Jeff Varner - Yes h8. Most random threepeater ever? Especially since he has never gone well in any of his seasons and actually leaked spoilers for other seasons in between his showings. The last straw was him trying to use the Zeke thing to promote his own book at the S34 reunion.

Woo - More like BOOOO

Rafe - Yes thank you for enlightening everyone to the strategic mess that he is. Stupid and unnecessary game moves fuelled by jealousy/insecurity but disguised as moralistic acts.

Bob - I wish Susie had won ;____;
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:23 am

I wish the car reward would come back to survivor! Now all they give away is Sprint phones and Outback Steakhouse sponsored immunity idol clues.

Colleen - I don't really remember her being anti-game in the same way that Kelly Wiggleworm and Dr Sean were. In fact, weren't her and Jenna the first ones apart from Richard/Sue/Rudy to actually start trying to play strategically with alliances? Either way, Colleen and Greg were the highlights of season 1 for me.

Shirin - Aside from being a big survivor fan there isn't much to like about her. And she shouldn't be loved just because she wasn't as terrible as everyone else in World's apart. Her and Max were an annoying duo too.

#ChaosKass - Hated the hashtag and the camera awareness but she was better than most in Caramoan.

Kathy - HATE HATE HATE. I saw All-Stars before I saw Marquesas, which may be relevant. Kathy is a horrible and bitter person and was given too much praise after Marquesas and it went to her already-deluded head. She wasn't too special in Marquesas, in fact she was already a bit of a crazy and insecure lunatic and her only highlight outside of her endgame strategy was peeing on people. In All-stars she was just terrible. Another low point was when Sue had a mental breakdown and quit the game and everyone gave sympathetic confessionals then Kathy gave a ridiculous confessional blaming Sue and saying that Sue shouldn't have dragged them into her negative mindset. Wow, what great empathy she has. Telling a victim of harassment to shut up and keep quiet about their harassment is never okay.

Stacy - Haha she seems like a mean person but is totally fine as a contestant and I would say this is a good spot for her. She had very passionate haters on IMDB during Fiji's airing which was kind of hilarious.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:32 am

*dies a little after finding out that so many contestants are republicans and/or crazy*

Josh - The fear of a Josh win was very real during the airing of SJDS. It seemed like it would either be Jon or Josh and the blindside of Josh at merge was a huge relief. He was placed well in his season but plz don't ever let him come back.

Ozzy - Agreed that his stoned lesbian phase is much more palatable than CI and Micro Ozzy, but my hatred of CI Ozzy stays strong and I see hints of the same terrible traits surfacing each time he plays.

Jeff - Lol @ Jeff's rant in his final words. No real opinion on him other than his blindside being great.

Alex - Good placement for him. Awesome that he told Roger off but otherwise just a fun character to dislike and cheer at their blindside. His role and final placement in Amazon was perfect for the season.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:38 am

Earl - I won't go on a 3000 word rant about why Earl is the worst pre-Russell contestant ever but I will agree that he is a fun vacuum (and airtime vacuum O___O) and is grossly overrated in every way. It bewilders me that people still praise him as one of the best winners ever. I even have suspicions that there may be some poor deluded souls out there who think he was a good character. Plz NEVER RETURN or my rage which has been dormant for years will resurface like the fiery volcanoes of Fiji.

I also heard that Danni was sick during the endgame but the Lydia vote out was definitely to remove her as a F2 option for Steph. Rafe didn't tell Steph that at the time and painted the picture of Lydia being a threat. They even show them muttering about the risk of Lydia winning a FIC balance challenge. LOL @ that thought, looking back on what the F3IC actually was and how quickly Lydia would have lost.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:57 am

Shrad I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being 33 and crushing on women 10 years younger than you, there was just something sort of skeevy about Alex and the way he did it. Jenna was a 21 year old college student and the way some of the men who were a lot older talked about her was O______O and Heidi/Shawna weren't that much older. You're right, it has a lot of gross sexism that hasn't aged well at all. 2002 was a different time.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:12 am

omw I forgot about Kathy and a couple other people being totally gross towards Sue after she left O_______O then when Jenna quit too wasn't she like "OMG I would NOT have come out here!!" in front of everybody (including Jenna) or was that Alicia? One of them def said it. I mean I agree, I don't think Jenna should've gone out there either but you don't TELL her that as her mother is dying V___V

I just looked at a list of all 3-4peaters and Jeff is easily the most random, followed by James and <3 Candice <3
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:34 pm


75. Denise Stapley

On paper, Denise should be one of the most epic winners of all time. 40something sex therapist from Iowa (lol) almost becomes the Steph of her season by being the last person standing in her tribe, goes and survives two TCs after being absorbed by one of the other tribes, and practically coasts her way to victory, winning the jury vote easily. The Jeff boot was the only vote all season that didn’t go her way. That’s all on paper. In reality, Denise was kind of underwhelming? She gave good confessionals sometimes, she generally had good taste in people, and she was an ok-ish underdog but I think a lot of that was more circumstance than her personality. She did have a bit of a smug air about her, especially in regards to Abi, but idk how much I can blame anyone for not being able to tolerate Abi LOL. The above gif of her sums up her general demeanor. Decently expressive but sort of smug. Her random bffmance with Malcolm was really great for the most part, but I hated how it ended. It felt very hollow and disappointing. I don’t have many problems with Denise, because a lot of the things I listed were very minor. She was a competent and fitting winner for a really good season, and is a fairly adaptable player, but I don’t know how much she personally contributes to good momentum in a season. I think if she were to ever come back, she may be situationally interesting, but she may be really boring. I don’t have much faith in her as a character all by herself. I kind of wish Dawson would’ve survived Kalabawful instead of her but alas. Here we are. Denise is the perfect midpoint of winners for me. Anyone who I have some sort of beef with would be ranked below her, and anyone who had something I particularly liked would be ranked above her. so gj I guess




74. Kelly Shinn

her intro gif <3 so expressive

Yes I did put Kelly Shinn in the top 100 and I’m not sorry about it. In any other season, she would be a UTR blonde girl that I would probably root for but ultimately not have super strong feelings about a year later. I have a soft spot for adorable UTR women on this show, especially when they’re hated by smug alpha douches. Kelly, however, is now forever a Survivor icon because of her edit. I’ll start out by saying that I hate it when people quit later in the game (especially after an epic string of episodes like Nicaragua’s post-merge had been) and Kelly was no exception. I wish she didn’t do it. but the way the show punished her made her legendary, and I don’t think they meant to do that at all. I could be wrong, but I think she just got one confessional all season up until her boot episode, and the editors did whatever they could to make us not care about her at all. Maybe they were trying to make her sound dumb in the one confessional she had, but I think it proved what a gem she is. “Milk your own milk” should’ve been on the logo for the season <3. I do wish they had given us more of an explanation as to why she quit. It was random at the time, and it seems even more random in retrospect. The double quit and the weird Jane/Sash stuff made the end of Nicaragua really incoherent and jumbled. Kelly and NaOnka both tarnished their reputations for me because of their quits and the impact they had on the season, and the endgame in particular. However, Kelly as a person seems really fun, adorable, ^_^, and a sidekick to some of my fav contestants from the whole season. She’s unlike any other contestant in the show’s history in that they tried to squash her, but they made her a legend by doing so. The Purple Kelly treatment is totally a thing. Any time someone goes more than 4 or 5 episodes without a confessional, people start calling them “Purple ____”. I loved her during her time on the show, but I can’t endorse her quit, so here she is.





73. Missy Payne

This is a pretty cool intro, too.

San Juan del Sur is one of my favorite seasons, and Missy was totally an important character. She and Baylor had such a hilarious up and down journey, and I think it’s so fitting that they were the longest-surviving pair. I’ve heard people complain about how they kept throwing in comments about how she had been divorced three times, but I don’t think it was irrelevant. Aside from the fact that the biggest blindside of the whole season (Jon) almost didn’t happen because of her men issues (lol), it made her whole dynamic with Baylor make a lot of sense. Obviously since Baylor was a young spoiled brat she needed help and coaching from her mom in playing the game, but Missy totally needed it from Baylor at times, too, because Baylor was more aware of Missy’s blind spots and the places she needed help than anybody else was, and we got to see that dynamic played out. Missy had a bit of an intense side, too, which we saw after Reed called Baylor a brat, and when she intimidated Julie so much that Julie sort of quit out of spite (lol at Missy, smh at Julie). I also appreciated how she toughed it out at the end of the game after her injury, because that must’ve made the last few days awful. I’ve said this a hundred times already, but being with The Right People is an aspect that is immensely important, and Missy was almost always with The Right People. I appreciated Missy a lot, but in a season full of bigger personalities and more significant storylines, I only had so much room in my heart for someone like Missy. She never made enough of a splash to get anywhere higher than 70ish for me, and if her season had aired eight years ago instead of three, I can’t guarantee she’d be on this list at all. She played the right role in her season and I’m thankful for that.




72. Neleh Dennis

Neleh is remembered for saying things like “oh my heck” and offering everyone a half eaten mint from her mouth (which is HILARIOUS), which in a sense sums up her personality. Pretty adorable but also kind of hopelessly naive and grates people the wrong way because of how unaware she is. However, her character on the show was defined by much more than that, since she was the final piece of the first successful counter-alliance in the show’s history. Yes, she had been pushed by Kathy, Sean, Vecepia, and Rob for a while pointing out the writing on the wall about the Rotu 4, but Neleh made the move that people in seasons before her had been unwilling to make. John’s boot was a defining moment in Survivor history, and Neleh helped make that happen. Marquesas is one of my favorite seasons for many reasons, but the interesting mix of characters and innovative gameplay are some of the strongest reasons. Even after the Rotu 4 all left, she still had to fight her way to the Final 2, where she almost won. I can’t imagine a universe in which Neleh Dennis is a Survivor winner, but I’m sure it would’ve been fascinating. Was she considered for All-Stars? I feel like it would’ve made a lot of sense. Even though I didn’t really LOVE Neleh at any point in the season and was totally rooting for Sean and Vecepia over her and Paschal, she was pretty epic in her own right. A super naive 21 year old mormon from Utah left a sizable mark on Survivor’s history, and I totally respect her for that. I appreciate her contributions to one of my favorite seasons, I just never had super strong feelings about her personally, so here she is.





71. Monica Padilla

Monica is someone who I hated for most of Samoa, actually, because she had a really annoying following on Sucks and I didn’t find her that noteworthy at all. Galu was vastly superior to Foa Foa in every way, but Monica was one of their weakest links to me, other than Shambo, and I had a hard time appreciating her when she survived instead of Sassy Yassy. I rooted for her by default towards the end since she was part of Galu thus she was against team Russell, but it wasn’t until her boot episode that I truly began to appreciate her. She decided that she had had enough of Russell’s nonsense and started deliberately pushing his buttons at every opportunity, and the best part was that he fell for it! It was a great precursor to him getting owned by Natalie because we all saw Russell start to squirm, and that was a breath of fresh air. I think Monica was the first one to outright be all “nope. screw u Russell” and that point in Samoa meant that Monica was exactly what I, as a viewer, wanted. Even though she left right away, I began to appreciate things about her in retrospect. I appreciated that she gladly would’ve been a 3rd place no votes finalist if it meant that she went to the end with Queen Laura and <3 Kelly Sharbawesome <3. I appreciated that she was that person that sort of grated everybody’s nerves but she seemed unaware/unphased by it. She easily landed in the top third or so of my fav contestants in Samoa. When she was on the Cambodia poll, I was so shocked because it seemed so random, but I voted for her anyway because I was actually intrigued at the idea of her playing again. I was excited when she got on, although her showing was almost nonexistent so sometimes I forget she played in that season. Only Bayon to go pre-merge lol ;____; She might be one of the most random returnees ever, because at that point her season wasn’t even recent. In a sense I think her boot was fitting because she’s always going to be super beta and never achieve alpha status like Laura or Parvati or someone like that, so in trying to pull a Parvati, she got prematurely booted. It’s clearly not in her blood. At the same time, though, I felt like I was left hanging by her premature departure. I think she had more to offer for some inexplicable reason, and now I’ll always be left wondering what could’ve been. Part of me wonders if I should’ve ranked her higher after writing this, but I really never had a ton that I LOVED about Monica, so this ranking of mild appreciation seems fitting. Galu 5eva


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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:47 pm

Purple Kelly and Purple Monica above Denise Sad


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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:59 pm

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I don't think Alex crushing on the younger women was so bad? I haven't seen the season in a few years, so I don't remember everything he said (he could have been gross), but I just sorta remember him just liking Shawna? He was also getting close to Jenna and stuff, but I don't remember him ever crossing the line. I'm 29 and I still think guys in their early 20's are attractive. I don't see anything wrong with it? There's a shit load of college age porn (female and male) for a reason lol. I mean you suddenly don't stop being attracted to other adults (no matter what age) just because you get older. 33 is like super young too. It isn't like he was a father with kids their age. I think people get a little too freaked by sexuality (being repressed is worse imo). I see no problem if everyone is an adult. I do remember Amazon having a few sexist moments that haven't aged well at all though

I agree with Shrad. I'm 32 and I hooked up with a 23 year old haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:14 pm

I HATE liking someone on the show and then finding out how awful they are in real life. I wish I could keep them separate, but I just can't. It was one of the (many) reasons I hated Game Changes so much... ughhh Sarah. If she wasn't so awful in real life I probably would have been obsessed with her win.

Joe was the same for me. His social media is awful, and even him accidentally leaking his own nudes on SnapChat was lame lmao. I hadn't heard the stuff about Kimmi, but it doesn't really surprise me.

Great ranking, Jack! <3
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:11 am

I for the most part can keep them separate, but it does tarnish them a little bit. Like I don't think I can look at Kimmi the same way but I do still love her for the most part.

Thanks, Swinners! PS I was down in Austin for the first time a few months ago and it's such an awesome city!
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:50 pm

Gahh I love it, I miss that city a lot! Glad you had a good time!

And yes you're right, it doesn't completely ruin them on screen but it does tarnish it a bit. I don't feel as good about loving them lol
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:44 pm

<3 this ranking
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:19 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:29 pm

Whores, every time one of you posts I get excited thinking Jaknockwa is updating.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:44 pm

oh my gosh I had no idea this had such a following. more comments on the thread and people following this totally would make me more motivated to post more quickly. thanks for keeping the demand high, friends.

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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:58 pm


70. Troy "Troyzan" Robertson"

Troy is such an enigma. On one hand, he has a very big personality and post-One World he became one of the most extra people of all time with his raging bitterness about Kim and her smooth path to victory. The show wants him to be this larger-than-life superstar who’s a must have on all of these returning player seasons (except idk why he wasn’t on Caramoan. does anybody know? @merriska) On the other hand, he was in a season that Jeff hates and was actually kind of dull, he got left out of the Cambodia cast in favor of people like Woo and Keith (lol), and when he finally did get his second chance, became one of the most inert no-vote finalists in recent history. If he didn’t randomly find the idol in that one challenge, he probably would’ve left in sixth place and who knows if he would’ve gotten more than five confessionals all season. I personally don’t know how to feel about Troy, either. Part of me feels like I should hate him because he was so aggressively bitter during and post-One World, and in Game Changers he was a total waste of space and enabler of the worst people. But at the same time, I legitimately liked Troy up until right around the Jay boot of One World because he was so lively and clearly loved the whole experience so much, and wasn’t too overbearing at that point. That jumbled mess of what to make of Troy leaves me largely indifferent at best and vaguely annoyed at worst at his presence on the show. I’m glad he didn’t make the cut for Cambodia and I wish he weren’t on Game Changers, but it’s not like he made the season a whole lot worse. Troy is someone who garners a lot of hate from various online communities and I don’t have a problem with how much hate he gets, I just can’t find it in me to care that much about him. I hope he never comes back again because I don’t know what else he could contribute.





69. John Fincher

When I think of the people who ruined Samoa, I think first and foremost of the editors and producers, then I think of Russell, then I think of Shambo, but right after them is John. We’ve seen two purple rock scenarios since people were aware that it was a thing, and I think both of them were pretty exciting. There have been several people who flipped to avoid a purple rock in Survivor history, but none were as season-crushing as John. I’ve already discussed a few times how much Russell Hantz has ruined Survivor in many ways, and the F10 vote was the last chance to stop him. I think the vote would’ve been a lot more exciting, obviously, if they did draw rocks, but also it could’ve made the season way better. Who knows how the rest of the season would’ve played out if Russell left? or if Shambo did? Sacrificing Laura for the sake of Russell is literally one of the worst exchanges in Survivor history, from my point of view, and I can never forgive John for that. Then he voted for Russell, too -_- John wasn’t awful aside from that vote, though. His existence was kind of lolworthy and he gave some funny confessionals, but those things are all tainted because of how he tanked Galu’s game. He would’ve made a great foil for Laura that would’ve made the season way better if he had waited until after Russell left. John is pretty much only on this list because of his move at F10, and his impact on the franchise was not a good one. but he is engaged (or married?) to Parvati so I guess he can’t be all bad.





68. Brian Heidik

Brian also gets a lot of hate across the internet, and I can’t tell how much of it is because he shot a puppy or something. I think that’s one of the most repugnant things someone can do, but I also sort of believe the jokes (or legit theories) that he’s an actual sociopath. He does kind of seem to lack a soul. Maybe he does or maybe Thailand was such a lifeless void of a season that it just seems that way. idk. He’s kind of creepy as a person at best and downright reprehensible at worst but on the show it was all very flat and boring. I don’t think Brian made me feel anything one way or the other all season except bored. I guess I’m impressed that he was so lifeless and didn’t know anything about anyone (lol @ his response to Penny’s questions on the joory) but still managed to get 4 votes and win? I have a hard time coming up with stuff to say about Brian because the show has completely moved on from his season, his win, and him as a whole and so have I.





67. Marty Piombo

Yet another enigma. I actually don’t like Marty as a person at all and was rooting against him the entire time he was in Nicaragua. He was another very bitter and vindictive person who was perpetually against people who were way more entertaining than he was. Some of the decisions he made, like voting out <3 Jimmy T <3 over Dan, or hating Chase because he was weak and spineless or whatever and then voting for FABIO to win, are pretty inexcusable. I already discussed how ugly Jane could get, and he had no problems getting down to her level. Marty was a very negative person who I don’t think I could ever see myself rooting for. That being said, I think he created a lot of very necessary momentum in a criminally underrated season. He was a great foil to Brenda. He was clearly threatened by her for pretty much the whole time they were together, and I’m so glad she came out of that battle victorious. To see a 50something white alpha douche become as nervous and threatened as he was by a 20something badass Asian American woman was pretty awesome. He rallied a lot of the younger (and best) people together just because he was so terrible that they wanted him gone. His rise and fall was pretty epic. I’m actually fairly confident that Marty would bring good momentum if he were ever to get brought back, even though I’d still root against him the whole time. I think that the show wants to leave Nicaragua forever in the past, which sucks for most people, but I’m not shedding any tears that we probably won’t see Marty again. He served his purpose.





66. Jean Robert Bellande

Jean Robert is interesting. He was clearly a unique personality and definitely one of the standout characters from a really good season, but the show has never really talked about bringing him back? or made him a big deal at all? I feel like he’s totally the sort of the person that the show would totally hype up and act like he’s some big villain. He was pre-Russell and a professional poker player and legit kind of a creepy/sleazy person so it’s not even like he was trying to be some fake CPN mastermind or something, he was being himself. He created good momentum for the season, too. His boot episode was one of my favorites in China, and he made Courtney a lot funnier. It’s not like he came from a forgotten season, either. Four people from China have come back for three separate seasons. I guess he was kind of a gross person and he wasn’t a spectacular character, but he was a good one who definitely played his part well. His whole FTC performance was hilarious, too. Everyone openly laughed at Todd stroking his ego but he fell for it anyway and voted for Todd to win. I think I have more mixed feelings on Jean Robert, when I previously thought of him mostly negatively. Oh well. I really don’t have any complaints about the show not making a bigger deal of him than they did, I just find it more surprising than anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:00 pm

idk why the gifs for Marty and Brian aren't working. I'll try again later
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:51 pm

Fun fact, a big part of this is because Brian slung mud all over Clay behind the scenes. The part about Ken saying Ted needed to be taken out and not getting an honest answer is that Ken approached Brian about how Ted was a threat, and Brian agreed and said they couldn't let two black winners win in a row, apparently thinking Ken will just be cool with racist shit. Ken is NOT cool with it at all, but Brian somehow flips this and makes it out like that's what Clay told him. This also spread to Ted and several other jurors. So most of the jury hates Clay not just because they think he's a weak gross old man, but Brian also convinced them he's fucking racist.

Even funnier though, 3 people still hated Brian enough to vote Clay so he still almost loses Laughing But yeah, Clay loses cuz they think he's racist.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:14 pm

what the hell!!! where did you hear that?

I should've put Brian lower O_O
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:25 pm


70. Debbie Wanner

why is this cropped.

Contestants coming back for a second time always create an interesting dynamic, because there’s always so much possibility of how their Survivor trajectory could go. They could take a turn for the better (more dynamic, more of a player, funnier, more depth to their story), a turn for the worse (the opposite of all those things), or they could just be the same thing all over again. I think we run the risk of them being one of the latter two way more for contestants who don’t have much time between their two appearances. Debbie is a prime example of that. I really enjoyed her in Kaoh Rong. Obviously, she had a huge presence because of her insane personality, but she’s not fake like the Phillips of the world. She’s genuinely a zany old scientist lady. I think she played her role really well in Kaoh Rong, and she left once she started to get a little dangerous (because for real anyone who trusts Juliantichrist clearly can’t be trusted themselves). I think she was a natural to come back again, but coming back so soon wasn’t exactly the best idea. I wasn’t sure how much more she had to offer at that point, and I was right. Debbie had a few funny moments in Game Changers, but for the most part she was tiresome at best and an awful enabler at worst. People who loudly boast about their core majority alliance are always annoying, and it’s even worse when your alliance is made up of Brad, Sierra, Tai, and Troyzan. Debbie was perpetually with The Wrong People in Game Changers, and it’s not like she was just an extra vote. She was constantly loudly trumpeting their praise and superiority in the face of The Right People, and that continued all the way up to her falling at Brad’s feet during FTC. That made her rampage against him pre-merge even more embarrassing than it already was. Debbie’s cringeworthy showing in Game Changes made me look at her Kaoh Rong appearance differently, and it made me realized that my love of her the first time clearly wasn’t strong enough to excuse her awful second appearance. I really wish she didn’t come back. Most of the women in the 75-71 update I realized that I liked more than I thought I did and I kind of wish I put Debbie about five spots lower, but alas she did have some good moments and I enjoyed her for about half of her time on the show, and I already posted those updates, so here we are.





69. Sarah Lacina

I have never been able to figure out how I feel about Sarah. I think she had a great story in Cagayan, and I was invested in her journey the whole time, even though she was kind of drunk and awkward as a person. I think it was Chaz who said that she was the first person to realize that Tony was full of crap, and she def deserves credit for that. For better or for worse, Tony and Sarah both being cops and the whole “good cop, bad cop” thing was a prevalent narrative for the season, and Sarah played a key role in the whole season because of how she was Tony’s foil. In that sense, she was a reasonable-ish choice to come back a second time, especially since three years had passed. I appreciated her more because of her good guy turned swing vote turned “I need to be tru 2 myself” arc, and her boot was epic. Kass, Trish, Sarah, and Tasha totally should’ve been edited as the key characters of the season if the editors weren’t so sexist, but we got what we got Rolling Eyes So yeah I appreciated Sarah as a character but ultimately I wasn’t wild about her as a person or her season so I was kind of indifferent to her being chosen for Game Changers. I was so relieved to see Tony go early for a plethora of reasons, one of the smaller ones was how Sarah could now be her own person and not just Tony’s foil. It took a little bit for her to get some focus, but she once again was in the swing vote role, and she never really left. I think it’s indicative of how good of a game she played, because both sides ALWAYS needed her, so they didn’t have much of a choice but to trust her, but even when they did have a choice, people still went towards here (Sierra giving her the legacy advantage, Cirie booting Andrea over Brad, etc.). It was really frustrating to see the people who I legitimately liked constantly have their fate in her hands, and Sarah doesn’t necessarily have the personality to make me actively root for her over people I really like. but once everyone who I liked was gone, it became very clear to me that Sarah was the only right winner for the season, and I really wanted her to win once Aubry left. I spent most of the season being annoyed with Sarah but not hating her, but when my gut told me that I actually wanted her to win in the finals, it made me realize that she’s actually not that bad. There have been seasons (Caramoan, Cagayan) where everyone in the finals was so awful that I couldn’t bring myself to root for anyone in the finals, but the fact that I could root for her made the whole season end in a slightly positive note. She did play an impressive game, and I’m ok with her as winner, in the grand scheme of the whole show. I’d actually be fascinated to see how she’d do a third time, since everyone has now seen this new side of her, but I’m also totally fine if she never comes back.





68. Corinne Kaplan

Corinne is sort of an enigma. I think she was originally asked to be on the Villains tribe in HvV, but couldn’t make it because of work, and I don’t think anyone at all would’ve objected to that at the time because of how hated she was. The thing is, though, her appearance on Gabon wasn’t actually that noteworthy. I mean she gave good confessionals sometimes, she was better than the rest of the Onions, and I was totally rooting for her to survive over Matty at F7, but she didn’t make much of a splash at all until her FTC speech, which is what she’s primarily known for. Obviously she was tactless, Sugar wasn’t exactly mentally stable, and bringing up her dad was a low blow, but on the other hand, Sugar was awful and if I were Corinne I would also have a hard time taking her seriously after being in subjection to her constant crying. I wasn’t a fan of the speech but I didn’t hate Corinne for it, either. I wasn’t waiting for her to come back a second time or anything, but when I saw the Caramoan cast and how awful it was, I rooted for Corinne by default. She was pretty invisible right up until the swap, when she started vocalizing what everyone at home was thinking about Phillip and how unbearable he was. She gets hate for only having any sort of cajones in confessionals and never in person, and she didn’t flip on Phillip, Dawn, and Cochran until too late, which is all true, but that point in Caramoan was such a dark, dark place that even Corinne’s confessionals were a breath of fresh air that I so desperately needed. lol @ her saying she wanted to get rid of Julia because she's so boring. same, gurl. Then after the merge she teamed up with Malcolm and against everyone awful plus Brenda, before promptly getting booted lol. I ended Caramoan thinking pretty favorably of Corinne because I felt she left too soon, but more importantly because of her being with The Right People and against The Wrong People. On paper, you could argue that just picking a side and immediately getting booted isn’t that special, and you wouldn’t be wrong, except Caramoan was so dreadful that it had a much bigger impact on her placement than it normally would’ve. Even Reynold, who is like a bottom 10 Survivor human being ended up at like 80ish on my ranking of the men. Caramoan was that terrible, y’all. I won’t argue with anyone who says that Corinne is awful, but I have a very mild appreciation of her. I probably should’ve put her below Monica and Neleh but whatever.





67. Ashley Underwood

Ashley is actually similar to Corinne in that she’s actually not that special at all on paper, but in her context of a truly horrendous Bottom One season, she was such a breath of fresh air. I was rooting for Ashley pre-show because she seemed like a big fan of the show, she was pretty and athletic, she has a good intro shot, and I think she said that Steph was one of her favorites. That and her hatred of Phillip honestly held my interest in her for like the whole season up until her immunity run. There wasn’t much else to hold on to in Redemption Island. Someone once pointed out that her two immunity wins were literally the only things all season not to go Rob’s way, and that’s such a sad truth. I had to root for her because she was the only real opposition to Rob. I’ve seen people hate on her for perpetuating Rob’s win, but I honestly don’t know how much was her fault. For one, Rob won a zillion immunities and also had the HII that conveniently lasted until the second F5, so she didn’t have many opportunities to turn on Rob. Secondly, her tightest alliance was Natalie, and Natalie was such a tepid, spineless fool that she told on Ashley for just listening to Steve or whoever. Flipping to the Zaps would’ve left her in a clear 6th place so there was no winning there, either. I don’t know what else she could’ve done. She, along with Andrea post-RI, was the only real shot at Rob’s win being avoided, so she was my glimmer of hope all season that actually started to catch some sparks at the very end. She was also a vaguely funny and snarky person who showed low tolerance for BS so kudos for that. Apparently, she was pretty close to coming back for Blood vs. Water but her partner had to back out or something? I would’ve been super interested to see her on another season that had a more level playing field, and I’m still open to her coming back again someday. She’s also probably about five spots too high, but I really don’t have anything too negative to say about Ashley. Not that her competition is very stiff, but she’s also my favorite Survivor Ashley/Ashlee so there’s that.





66. Holly Hoffman

Holly is actually someone who I’ve appreciated more a) in retrospect and b) since I’ve lived in the Midwest LOL. I’m more familiar with her demographic of the semi-crazy Midwestern mama bear (minus the rich politicians wife part) in real life, so I -get- Holly more than I did in the fall of 2010 when Nicaragua aired. I sort of hated her at the time LOL. Partly because I found her grating but also partly because of how much she was worshipped at Sux. I’ve grown to appreciate that her journey is really epic, though. A lot of people wrote her off as the one-dimensional mentally instable middle aged mom in the beginning (because major lol @ her throwing Dan’s $1600 shoes into the ocean and then telling him about five minutes later) but she actually grew a lot as the season went on. I’ve written in other places before about how the Chase-NaOnka-Brenda dynamic was epic and unlike anything we’d ever seen before or ever seen since (which I’ll save for their write-ups), but Holly’s relationships with all of them were totally crucial to the arc of the season. She was a big part in taking down King Brenda, she was the good, kind balancing force to NaOnka’s crazy, but also the cutthroat balancing force to Chase’s indecisiveness. She was in the majority for the whole post-merge before being taken out because she was a jury threat. Who knows how she would’ve done because I feel like there is a lot of Nicaragua’s endgame that the editors didn’t tell us, but I suspect she had a good shot at winning. Holly’s arc was actually really epic and I don’t get why she’s been forgotten by a lot of people over the last seven years. Holly is mainly this low because I found her super annoying at the time, and because there are so many other stars in Nicaragua who I loved, but I could see her taking a huge jump if I were to rewatch. Sidenote: if I were to rewatch any two seasons, one would be Borneo and the other would be Nicaragua. Nicaragua is one of my fav seasons and Holly definitely helped make it as epic as it was. I still stand by this placement, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:32 pm

I'm pretty sure shooting a puppy makes one a legit sociopath.

Rumor has it Troyzan has a huge dick <3
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:39 pm

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what the hell!!! where did you hear that?

I should've put Brian lower O_O

Ken, idk if where it was is still up though. It was a long time ago. Also Brian claims that he thought the puppy was a baby coyote in the distance, but idk if I buy that.

Supposedly the rampage against Brad was acting and she always liked him, and the "SEE HOW I GOT OVER THE THINGY FIRST" wasn't trying to push at him cuz she was mad he thought she was useless, but genuinely trying to get his attention cuz she was crushing on him Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:53 pm

if that's true about Debbie then that makes it even more embarrassing in every sense. what a joke.

I edited the main post with a section on how the returning player seasons are faring, and 9/19 people from Game Changers are gone already LOL. the season really isn't as bad as the cast would indicate.

I think it's dumb that the show wants to totally move on from Guatemala and Nicaragua and act like they never happened, but they probably made the right call with Thailand.
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PostSubject: Re: Jack ranks top 100 iconic Survivor men & women (55-51 MEN updated)   Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:25 pm

Lol at Debbie being old as hell and crushing as if she is 12. Bye girl.

And Jack I am ready for more Smile
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